Discuss Islam

Salem Abu Al-Futouh : the Prophet Muhammad told us that Islam would spread. He told us about the Islamic conquest of Constantinople – Turkey of today – and indeed, it was conquered. He also told us about the conquest of Rome, which is Italy………………………..

Another Egyptian Muslim cleric with a shaky grasp of history. the early Muslim reference to “Rome” (Rum) was what we would call the “Eastern Roman Empire”, or Byzantium—Constantinople.

But while Al-Fotouh might be a bit off on the details, he has the aggressive and warlike spirit of the appalling “Prophet” dead on.

Rome—or Paris, or London, or new York City—are indeed the “Rum” of today, and the Islamic urge of conquest has not ended, it has only briefly—and imperfectly—been blunted for a time.

Brothers and sisters, Islam spread by means of the power of Allah, because it is the religion of Truth. when a Westerner whose heart is not filled with the hatred of Islam, someone who has not been raised on the hatred of Islam, begins to contemplate all the religions, he finds no other religion that respects human rights, and is in keeping with equality, justice, freedom, and democracy…………………………..

Only if one considers being able to oppress Infidels with impunity “freedom” and the arbitrary savagery of Shari’ah law to be “justice”…

Umm Hafsa—who appears to be a new Muslim troll here—wrote:

…however, I will not say that because some of the words in the Bible are the actual words of Jesus(peace and blessings of Allah be upon him)and therefore, for me to say that about Christianity, will automatically cancel me out of Islam.

If a Muslim does not have a strong belief in Jesus to be a prophet of God just like Abraham,Adam, John, David, Noah, Jacob, Moses, Lot, Isaac,Enoch, Solomon, Jonah, Elias,Job…were then they can not claim to be a Muslim. ……………………….

Notice the weasely reference to “some of the words in the Bible”—this is a reference to the Muslim claim that Jews and Christians deliberately changed the words of their holy books, and if they hadn’t made these supposed changes, then Judaism and Christianity would be…Islam.

The Muslim “Jesus”—really, the Muslim “Isa”—was no savior, and he died for nobody’s sins. instead, he compelled one of his luckless followers to die nameless in his place while he cravenly fled.

More disturbing even than this, though, is the main role of “Jesus” in Islam—which is to return in the last days and “break the cross and kill the pigs”-that is, to abolish dhimmitude, the small, insecure space under Islam where Christians can practice their faith.

Following this, a Christian’s only options will be conversion to Islam or death.

In other words, the role of “Jesus” in Islam is to *kill Christians*.

Is this something that Umm Hafsa—who appears to be so upset at the description of Islam’s lies—about to honestly admit?

We’ll see—it all depends whether she is in Taqiyya mode, or whether she is letting the mask drop, and crowing her violent Muslim supremacism…

She asks marvelous questions like “Is voting Haram?’ and “How ugly are our legs!!!” [exclamation marks original—GI]

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Reverend Terry Jones of the Dove World Outreach Church in Florida thinks it’s a great idea to burn a copy of the Muslim Holy book the Koran on the anniversary of the 9-11 attack. he is getting international attention with his intention and free publicity for his ministry, which should by now be attracting just about every wingnut in the country. this is a great example of how not to use controversy to your marketing advantage.

The number of issues that I need to explain to my kids about this is unbelievable.

His first amendment right to say what he wishes – I respect that. however, how do we feel when someone burns our flag, or how would he feel if a Muslim burned his Bible?

He is a minster – a man who has chosen to preach acceptance and tolerance and the practice of good deeds to his flock. where is any of this evident in inciting riots and furthering hatred? After all, the attacks were carried out by extremists.every country, religion and political party has them.why should we call attention to their actions by insulting others who were not involved.

The name of the Church.Dove (symbol of peace) World Outreach (who will be receptive to his outstretched hand after publicly slapping the face of one of the world’s largest religious groups)?

He is taking away from what, I believe, should be a national day of remembrance commemorating the sacrifice that 2,511 American civilians, 411 public safety and 55 military personnel who lost their lives that morning 9 years ago made in the name of our way of life.

I am an American, an entrepreneur, a marketing guy, a parent and a political moderate and not under any one of those titles can I find one good reason to support or condone what this idiot, posing as a man of God, is proposing to do.

After watching the comments from the US Commanding General categorically state that this action would incite more violence against US troops and undermine the very mission that over 4,000 additional American soldiers have died for.attempting to find those who planned the attacks and supporting an initiative for freedom in Iraq & Afganistan; Reverend Jones’ comment was:

I’m sorry if more violence and deaths occur but we feel we must continue this.

I have a suggestion.let’s send the Reverend on a ‘mission’, churches do them all the time, with any of his supporters, on a US Air Force C-130 at taxpayers expense to Bagdad. I’m taking up a collection for jet fuel, anyone in? Set him up with his trailer in the middle of Bagdad and let him complete his protest by talking directly to the Muslims he wants to hear his message of protest.

Presuming God has actually chosen him to be the spokesperson on this issue, all should turn out well without any US troop involvement. If he’s wrong, the world and the C-130 will be lighter one lousy example on the flight home.

ORONO, Maine — The Islamic Center of Maine, 151 Park St., will hold its 3rd annual open house at 5 p.m. Saturday, Feb. 4.

The topic will be “The Quran: Learn It or Burn It?” Dr. Mohammed Mir will lead the discussion to explain the revelation, composition, context and basics of Muslims’ holy book. the Quranic view of women, war, Wall Street and the world also will be presented.

The title is intended to be provocative, but not in the way most Americans would define that word.

“Questions provoke thought,” he said earlier this week in an e mail response to questions. “They take us out of our shells, stereotypes and comfort zones. the title is meant to clarify certain misconceptions about Quran and will not focus on recent ‘Quran burning’ events. It is meant to present a panoramic picture of Quran to a curious audience.”

Mir said the word burn was used as metaphor for the hatred of Islam that can flow from ignorance and phobias and not as a jumping off point to discuss recent calls to burn Muslims’ holy book.

“Quran is a universal message of humility and humanity,” Mir said. “Learning Quran is a lifelong endeavor.”

He recommended two English translations of the Quran for people interested in reading it. One is by Dr. Farooq Malik, the other by a Jewish convert named Leopold Weiss, who also is known by Muhammad Asad.

“The former is recommended for ease and contemporary language and the later for deep linguistics and commentary,” Mir said in the email. “The only prerequisite is to study it with an open mind. You cannot judge a book by its cover.

“If you already have an opinion, the pride and prejudice will distort images. Even pure white light divides into colors when viewed through a prism,” he continued. “Ask, do not assume. Reading Quran will generate questions. Most answers are only an email [or] call away.”

The Orono mosque holds classes at 7:30 p.m. Fridays and all are welcome, according to Mir.

“The talk is geared to open doors, heal wounds and not resurrect controversies,” he said. “Quran is not to kill for or die for. It is to be lived by.”

Visitors to the Islamic Center of Maine are asked to observe the following mosque etiquette:

• Remove footwear upon entering the building.

• Bring no food or drink into the prayer hall.

• Place cellphone ringers on silent.

• Both men and women should wear modest, nonrevealing clothing.

• Avoid handshakes or physical contact with the opposite gender.

The open house is part of the mosque’s community outreach efforts, according to Jenan Jondy, outreach coordinator for the center. as interest in learning about Islam has increased, so have education efforts by the Muslims living in Greater Bangor, she said last year.

For more information on the open house at the Islamic Center of Maine, call 866-3410 or visit theicmo.com.

CHINO – Members of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community from the western United States began gathering Friday at the Baitul Hameed Mosque for the first of three days of religious talks, fellowship and spiritual renewal.

More than 1,000 members of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community are expected to take part in their 26th annual Convention West Coast USA.

The convention offers members of the Ahmadiyya Muslim faith a chance to attend seminars where they can increase their knowledge and understanding of the faith, pray together, but also take a moment to socialize, said Rashid Syed, public relations secretary for the Chino mosque.

The convention is an event that draws individuals and families alike, Syed said.

“They come as a family and they are here all three days,” he said. “We have activities for kids, for the ladies and for the men.”

The annual convention also provides those of other religions a chance to attend all or part of the events and begin to develop an understanding of the Ahmadiyya Muslim faith, Syed said.

Ahmadiyya Muslim Community members live by the strongly held principal of “love for all, hatred for none.”

They often participate in inter-faith activities in order to give various religious groups, including their own, a chance to get to know and understand each other, he said.

Members of the community said they believe in working toward peace and in working in favor of their fellow human beings.

However, members of the Ahmadiyya Muslim faith are often misunderstood and persecuted because of their beliefs, Syed said.

“We think that 120 years ago the Messiah came,” he said.

Ahmadiyya Muslim Community members contend Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, who established the community in India is the Messiah, Syed said.

The community also believes in the various prophets and in Jesus Christ, he said.

Among those attending the three-day convention is Jonathan M.A. Ghaffar and his wife.

The Chino resident said he has been attending the convention or assisting in putting it on for about 14 years.

“The purpose (of the convention) is to refocus ourselves spiritually,” he said.

Through the convention some who may have drifted away from the Ahmadiyya Muslim faith can reconnect and become active again, said Ghaffar, who co-host a radio show on understanding Islam.

Attending the convention also provides a chance to meet and spend time with other Ahmadiyya Muslim community members living in other parts of the country, he said.

“It’s sort of like a church reunion … and a church revival,” Ghaffar said.

Activities will begin at 10 a.m. today at the Baitul Hameed Mosque, 11941 Ramona Ave. and conclude at 7:30 p.m.

The program includes the reciting of portions of the Holy Quran, poetry readings, as well as talks designed for men and talks for women with focus on raising children, the relationship among couples, the power of prayer and Islam as a way of life.

Activities begin at 10 a.m. Sunday and conclude mid-day.

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The whole drama of Koran burning which involved pronouncing of Koran burning threat, retracting it and again whispering it can be weighed in astrological terms and precise intentions of the persons involved along with the effect it caused on to the nations involved.

The day when this deed was to be implemented was 11th of September 2010, the auspicious day of Eid for the Muslim world. For this day if the moon chart is drawn we find that the moon ascendant is Libra housing Moon, Mars and Venus. the moon is situated in its neutral house in Swati constellation whose lord is Rahu whereas Mars is in Chitra constellation whose lord is Venus and Venus is in Swati constellation which is ruled by Rahu. the position of the Environment is not panicky as the days chart is very strong and has sufficient power to resist these acts of madness which can arouse public outcry and hatred. the Ascendant is strong whereas ketu is positioned in the ninth house, which in every case shall protect the cause of religion what so ever the religion may be. the positioning of Sun in eleventh house sees a certain intervention of Government, which will certainly cool the things down and the positioning of Jupiter in the sixth house belonging to Pisces also sheds some intelligence in the environ to cool down the nerves.

The position of Saturn, Rahu and Mars are not that good for improving the cordiality between the various leading religion and the tension is left to brew.

The chart of the United States of America, drawn considering its birth on 4th July 1776at 17:10, Philadelphia, suggests that it also has to guard itself and not fall prey these kinds of petty issues which can tear it radically. There is a serious threat to the supremacy enjoyed by this country and to take a series of calculative corrective measure is the call of the day Vedic astrologically.

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